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Subject: Re: The Military Elite Class: Embassies, Agents, Moles and Informers

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  Subject: Re: Julien Moe - The Military Elite Class: Embassies, Agents, =
Moles and Informers


  Dear Julien Moe,

  I was reading your article with great interest but with much greater =
sadness! Well, I believe your personal experiences must be awful and =
extremely depressing like for almost every exiled Burmese or Shan or =
Karen or ... and it's hard for me - born and grown up in a fairly =
democratic country - to understand oppression, expulsion and  daily =
struggle. These nightmares might follow you for your lifetime.
  Nevertheless your conclusion doesn't satisfy me, not to say it seems =
rather extreme to me.
  To be paranoid is to be careful?
  Even I try to understand your reasons, I am sure that paranoia never =
is a good adviser for your matter. How you can find contacts, which I =
guess you urgently need for your work on the Burma issue? How you can =
even find  friends, if your life is directed by paranoia? How can a =
goodwilling person ever coontact you, if you see him as a mole at first =
sight?
  I had mysterious experiences, too, when I started my activities via =
Internet just six months ago. There were mails from curious people, =
others never answered my honest questions, one sent a cynical =
comment...but I will not stop to look for a way to do something for =
democracy, freedom and social justice in Burma, to do something for my =
suffering friends in Burma, as a social worker and like in the past as a =
photographer.=20
  Once more: I deeply respect your point of view as your very special =
way to deal with your personal experiences, but it is by far a too =
depressing one and not adequate to fight for democracy in Burma!
  Best wishes from Austria
  Kris=20


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Julien Moe <moe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  To: <burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  Sent: Mittwoch, 30. Juni 1999 05:19
  Subject: The Military Elite Class: Embassies, Agents, Moles and =
Informers


  > The Military Elite Class: Embassies, Agents, Moles and Informers
  > =
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****
  > By Julien Moe
  > 30th June 1999
  > The following article is based on my personal experiences.
  > =
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  > ----------
  > The military government knows how to collect intelligence worldwide =
using
  > its embassies , agents, moles and  informers. It is needless to say
  > embassies of any nation are intelligence mechanisms for their =
governments
  > but in the case of Burma it is sad to see the integrity of the =
diplomatic
  > service suffer in the name of "security". The military government's =
agents
  > and moles are everywhere,   even in dissident political =
organisations. Your
  > best friend could be an agent of the
  > government sent to put you under surveillance. For the politically =
sensitive
  > subjects and political figures, to be paranoid is to be careful.=20
  >=20
  >=20
  > Informers are everywhere. They will ask you all sorts of questions,
  > personal questions as well as where and who you work for. They will =
take
  > photographs of you as a souvenir. They will videotape you as a =
souvenir. The
  > photographs and the
  > videotapes will be turned in to the embassy officials or native =
intelligence
  > officials when they go to Burma. These are unpaid informers who have =
a
  > craving to inform the government free of charge.It is possible that =
they
  > have a hobby of informing or they do not like whoever they report =
about.
  > Maybe they think it is a fashion to brown-nose intelligence =
officials. Only
  > those informers  will know what they get in return. Probably =
nothing!
  >=20
  > Life is too short to  be filled with worrisome burdens  but to be
  > extra cautious is the way the political dissidents should live even =
though
  > they live thousands of miles away from the native motherland ruled =
by fear.
  > Knowledge is power and with
  > the facts they know about you, you can be defeated. You can be =
humiliated.
  > You can be defamed. You can be intimidated.
  >=20
  > Article coming up........The Psychology of the Rulng Class in Burma=20

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> Subject: Re: Julien Moe - The = Military=20 Elite Class: Embassies, Agents,
> Moles and Informers
>
> Dear = Julien=20 Moe, 
>   
> I was = reading your=20 article with great interest but with much greater
> sadness! Well, I = believe=20 your personal experiences must be awful and
> extremely depressing like = for=20 almost every exiled Burmese or Shan or
> Karen or ... and it's hard for = me -=20 born and grown up in a fairly
> democratic country - to understand = oppression,=20 expulsion and  daily
> struggle. These nightmares might follow you = for your=20 lifetime. 
> Nevertheless = your conclusion=20 doesn't satisfy me, not to say it seems
> rather extreme to = me. 
> To be = paranoid is to be=20 careful? 
> Even I try to = understand=20 your reasons, I am sure that paranoia never is
> a good adviser for = your=20 matter. How you can find contacts, which I
guess
> you urgently need for = your=20 work on the Burma issue? How you can even
> find  friends, if your = life is=20 directed by paranoia? How can a
> goodwilling person ever coontact you, = if=20 you see him as a mole at first
> sight? 
> I = had mysterious=20 experiences, too, when I started my activities via
> Internet just six = months=20 ago. There were mails from curious people,
> others never answered my = honest=20 questions, one sent a cynical
> comment...but I will not stop to = look for a=20 way to do something
> for democracy, freedom and social justice in = Burma,=20 to do something for
> my suffering friends in Burma, as a social worker = and like=20 in the past
> as a photographer. 
> Once more: = I deeply=20 respect your point of view as your very special way
> to deal with your = personal=20 experiences, but it is by far a too
> depressing one and not adequate to = fight=20 for democracy in Burma! 
> Best wishes from = Austria 
> Kris =  
>   
>   
> ----- = Original=20 Message ----- 
> From: Julien Moe <<??>moe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
> To: <<??>burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
> Sent: Mittwoch, 30. = Juni 1999=20 05:19 
> Subject: The Military = Elite Class:=20 Embassies, Agents, Moles and
> Informers
>
> > The = Military Elite=20 Class: Embassies, Agents, Moles and Informers 
> >=20 =
> *************************************************************************=
> **** 
> >=20 By Julien Moe 
> > 30th June 1999 
> > The following article is = based on=20 my personal experiences. 
> >=20 =
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
> --- 
> >=20 ---------- 
> > The military government knows how to collect = intelligence=20 worldwide
> using 
> > its embassies , agents, moles and  = informers. It=20 is needless to say 
> > embassies of any nation are intelligence = mechanisms=20 for their
> governments 
> > but in the case of Burma it is sad to = see the=20 integrity of the
> diplomatic 
> > service suffer in the name of = "security".=20 The military government's
> agents 
> > and moles are = everywhere,  =20 even in dissident political
organisations.
> Your 
> > best friend = could be=20 an agent of the 
> > government sent to put you under surveillance. = For the=20 politically
> sensitive 
> > subjects and political figures, to be = paranoid=20 is to be careful. 
> > 
> > 
> > Informers are everywhere. = They=20 will ask you all sorts of questions, 
> > personal questions as = well as=20 where and who you work for. They will
> take 
> > photographs of you = as a=20 souvenir. They will videotape you as a
> souvenir. The 
> > = photographs and=20 the 
> > videotapes will be turned in to the embassy officials or = native=20
> intelligence 
> > officials when they go to Burma. These are unpaid = informers who have a 
> > craving to inform the government free of=20 charge.It is possible that
they
> > have a hobby of informing or = they do=20 not like whoever they report
> about. 
> > Maybe they think it is a = fashion=20 to brown-nose intelligence
officials.
> Only 
> > those = informers  will=20 know what they get in return. Probably
nothing! 
> > 
> > Life = is too=20 short to  be filled with worrisome burdens  but to = be 
> > extra=20 cautious is the way the political dissidents should live even =
> though 
> >=20 they live thousands of miles away from the native motherland ruled
by=20
> fear. 
> > Knowledge is power and with 
> > the facts they know = about=20 you, you can be defeated. You can be
> humiliated. 
> > You can be = defamed.=20 You can be intimidated. 
> > 
> > Article coming up........The=20 Psychology of the Rulng Class in Burma = 

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