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darling dawn star,

i am sorry but telling the truth is tough job, you do not do it so i have 
to!

big kiss from, susu

>From: Dawn Star <dawnstar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: dawnstar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: Sue Huang <susuhuang@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>CC: hag2@xxxxxxxxxxx, bina@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx,        
>burmanet2-l@xxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: Rebels puffing
>Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 22:16:34 +0100
>
>susu, you sound like you are a little out of breath, save us, save it,
>and take a breather, ok? unless you have something constructive to
>offer, instead of all this silly shadow boxing.
>
>Sue Huang wrote:
> >
> > oh HAG you are all hot air. puff puff puff.
> >
> > stop puffing and look at facts about embassy.
> >
> > they demand release of political prisoners -- none released
> >
> > they demand nld-spdc dialog -- no dialog
> >
> > they demand parliament to be recognized - no parliament
> >
> > they demand helicopter -- ok, get helicopter, fly away and never mind 
>about
> > democracy demands!!!!!
> >
> > you call that heros? guts? puff puff puff puff puff
> >
> > susu
> >
> > >From: "Htun A. Gyaw" <hag2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >To: "Sue Huang" <susuhuang@xxxxxxxxxxx>, bina@xxxxxxxxxxxxx,
> > >burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx, burmanet2-l@xxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: Re: Rebels win, Workers lose
> > >Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 09:07:06 -0400
> > >
> > >
> > >Do you think the seizure of Embassy only produce ten minutes media
> > >attention? Do you think the illegal Burmese workers in BKK are far more
> > >important than the people inside Burma? Do you have an ability to made 
>this
> > >ten minutes deal? if not, do not insult the people who have guts.
> > >
> > >Htun Aung Gyaw
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 02:00 AM 10/07/1999 +0000, Sue Huang wrote:
> > > >hello??? EVERYBODY lose from this stupid embassy attack, indiana.
> > >innocent
> > > >workers hurt, as you say. crackdown on ABSDF and other groups in BKK 
>has
> > > >been announced by thai government. vigorous students made nld look 
>like
> > > >terror-sponsoring group. any hope for early release of rachel goldwyn
> > > >probably gone. bangkok embassy security now upgraded, meaning any 
>SERIOUS
> > > >long-term occupation, seizure of files etc may no longer be possible.
> > >border
> > > >closed making prices go up in rangoon. whole movement now looks
> > > >disorganized, no leadership. credibility has been lost.
> > > >
> > > >name one positive accomplishment. answer: ten minutes of media 
>attention.
> > > >big deal.
> > > >
> > > >so, hooray for vigorous students. have guns instead of brains.
> > > >
> > > >susu
> > > >
> > > >>From: Indiana <bina@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>To: burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx, burmanet2-l@xxxxxxxx
> > > >>Subject: Rebels win, Workers lose
> > > >>Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 07:24:08 +0700
> > > >>
> > > >>Just a note of reality, here amid all the euphoria about getting the
> > > >>world's attention on Burma by a show of physical force in our host's
> > > >>capital city.
> > > >>
> > > >>By some estimates, there are one million undocumented Burmese 
>workers in
> > > >>Thailand, about half of whom work in Bangkok.  For those of you who 
>dont
> > > >>know, these undocumented workers are habitually ripped off by their
> > >company
> > > >>owners, abused by their foremen, and harassed by the Thai police.
> > >Without
> > > >>state papers, they have no legal rights at all.  Their children are
> > >often
> > > >>born on the construction work sites, and later they play in the dirt 
>and
> > > >>the junk piles while their parents mix cement, bend re-bar, and 
>carry
> > > >>bricks, for half the wages of a Thai laborer.  The only reason these
> > >people
> > > >>are in Bangkok, far from their towns and villages in Burma, is 
>simply
> > > >>because it is even worse for them at home.
> > > >>
> > > >>I had spent about six months working with a group of Burmese 
>students to
> > > >>set up a primary school for these kids at a construction site in
> > >Bangkok.
> > > >>We researched the situation, wrote a project proposal and prepared a
> > >budget
> > > >>which included books, paper, and lunch for the kids.  We sent it out 
>to
> > > >>friends and organizations who we thought might be interested in 
>funding
> > >the
> > > >>school.  We finally heard that it was going to be approved last 
>week,
> > >just
> > > >>before the embassy story hit the headlines.
> > > >>
> > > >>The students who were going to run this school all live at the 
>Maneeloy
> > > >>"safe camp".  But now it looks like easy movement to and from the 
>camp
> > >is
> > > >>over (see story that follows).  If they cannot leave the camp for
> > >Bangkok,
> > > >>there will be no school for the workers' children.  And from the 
>sounds
> > >the
> > > >>Thai government is making, life is going to get even harder for the
> > >workers
> > > >>themselves.
> > > >>
> > > >>I know that everyone wants to go back to Burma.  I know that the
> > >continued
> > > >>presence of the junta there is a disgrace to human society.  I know 
>how
> > > >>frustrated everyone is with the lack of movement in the 
>international
> > > >>community.  I was also glad to see something "real" happen, although 
>I
> > >know
> > > >>that violence is never elegant, nor can it be a solid foundation on
> > >which
> > > >>to build anything long-lasting.
> > > >>
> > > >>But with no collective planning, no coordinated follow-up, no 
>long-range
> > > >>strategy to use this "aberration" to press our demands home to the
> > > >>international community, it is the weakest people, as usual, who 
>will
> > >bear
> > > >>the brunt of the hostile fall-out that violence always breeds.  I 
>know
> > >in a
> > > >>very personal way what a loss of this school means to the children,
> > >their
> > > >>parents, and to the entire illegal worker population of Bangkok.
> > > >>
> > > >>If the embassy attack gets them all back home to a peaceful Burma
> > >tomorrow,
> > > >>I will be cheering along with the rest.  But if it only makes 
>conditions
> > > >>worse for them here in Bangkok, then it is they who will be paying 
>the
> > > >>long-term cost for the Vigorous Burmese Student Warriors moment of
> > >glory.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >SHAN HERALD AGENCY FOR NEWS
> > > >> >October 6, 1999
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Thailand wants Myanmar students out of country after hostage 
>crisis
> > > >> >
> > > >> >     BANGKOK, Oct 6 (AFP) - Thailand said Wednesday it planned to
> > >round
> > > >>up
> > > >> >exiled Myanmar students and send them to a third country, after 
>five
> > > >> >student gunmen took almost 40 people hostage at Yangon's embassy 
>here.
> > > >>In
> > > >> >the wake of the 25-hour hostage crisis, which ended with the 
>gunmen
> > > >>fleeing
> > > >> >Bangkok by helicopter Saturday, Thai authorities met to discuss 
>ways
> > >to
> > > >> >prevent more international terrorism on Thai soil. The National
> > >Security
> > > >> >Council (NSC) said it would round up exiled students inside 
>Thailand,
> > > >>check
> > > >> >their status, and prosecute those found to have entered the 
>country
> > > >> >illegally. All students would then be transferred to the Maneeloy
> > >holding
> > > >> >centre near the Thai-Myanmar Border, and the United Nations High
> > > >> >Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) would be asked to quickly 
>transfer
> > >them
> > > >> >to a third country.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >     "We will consult with the UNHCR to send an estimated 2,800
> > >Myanmar
> > > >> >students to another country," Khachadpai Burusapatana, NSC
> > > >> >secretary-general told reporters after the meeting top security
> > >agencies.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >     The UNHCR said it had not been informed of the move yet but 
>would
> > > >> >continue to apply long-standing policies on resettlement.
> > > >> >     "In accordance with established practice we will continue to
> > >promote
> > > >> >resettlement of those refugees who qualify for third country
> > > >>resettlement,"
> > > >> >a UNHCR spokesman said.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >     Interior ministry spokesman Veerachai Naewboonian said 
>students
> > >who
> > > >> >were not accepted by a third country would be repatriated to
> > > >> >Myanmar.  Veerachai said Thailand had already moved to ensure 
>students
> > > >>were
> > > >> >confined to the Maneeloy holding centre in Ratchburi province.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >     "Authorities will step up rules and regulations at the 
>Maneeloy
> > > >>holding
> > > >> >centre," Veerachai said.
> > > >> >     Despite the crackdown on exiled students, Bangkok denied 
>claims
> > >by
> > > >> >Yangon that refugee camps inside Thailand were being used as 
>terrorist
> > > >> >bases.
> > > >> >     "On this issue Thailand has a clear cut policy that we will 
>not
> > > >>allow
> > > >> >any groups of terrorists to operate against neigbouring countries 
>from
> > > >> >inside our country," Khachadpai said.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >     He said Thailand's policy of sheltering 100,000 refugees 
>along
> > >the
> > > >> >Thai-Myanmar border would remain unchanged, but all illegal 
>Myanmar
> > > >>workers
> > > >> >would be repatriated.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >     "We have extended permission for 80,000 to 90,000 Myanmar
> > >workers,
> > > >>but
> > > >> >those who are not granted an extension will be prosecuted for
> > >violating
> > > >> >immigration laws," he said. In addition, Prime Minister Chuan 
>Leekpai
> > >has
> > > >> >instructed police to tighten security at 65 embassies and 10
> > >consulates
> > > >>in
> > > >> >Bangkok. Thai Special Branch Police deputy commissioner Major 
>General
> > > >> >Yothin Matthayanun said his agency would focus on improving 
>security
> > >for
> > > >> >diplomatic missions of neighbouring countries and nations 
>embroiled in
> > > >> >political disputes, such as Indonesia.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
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