Urggggggggggggg

[c04061998@xxxxxxxxxxx]

Ok - here it is:

"kha mya toe <You guys> tayork nae tayork ko <each other> LU yeh ATHAT   
than-pho <a value of mans' life> ma sheeh aung <without it> ATHIN AHHH-DAMA 
ne' <with violence> MYAUT pay nay tar koo <encouraging>.  Kha mya toe <You 
guys> khoung aye-aye ne' <with your mind> sing sar gya bar kymar <please 
think>.  Jondaw ko pote chah like yin <By putting me down> kha myar toe ajoe 
ma myut par boo <you have nothing to gain by it>.  Jondaw ka <I am> ayay ma 
gyi te <not important> lu kalay tayork par. <youth>"

Sorry.  My English is not as good as my German - and my Burmese is as bad.  
Lucky my folks made me go learn Burmese.   <Also helps they talk in Burmese 
@ home!>  Anyway, I'm off to Köln for the weekend before I get myself in 
trouble.  God knows that I will lose the battle if I argue with those people 
with GUNs and violent temper/nature/tendency.  Hehehehehehe

By the way Ama Susu - I am sure you have heard of a Burmese proverb - "don't 
you go around fighting with a mad dog because you will become a mad dog 
yourself!"

Have a great weekend everyone!  =-]

with metta,


----Original Message Follows----
Reply-To: dawnstar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: Soe Than <c04061998@xxxxxxxxxxx>
CC: burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Rebels puffing
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 22:13:48 +0100

dear Soe Than, would you please translate into english, my language
skills are not so sharp, thank you, ds

Soe Than wrote:
 >
 > That is because until last week, these "armed rebels" did not do anything
 > silly.
 >
 > And with you guys - kha mya toe tayork nae tayork ko LU yeh ATHAT  
than-pho
 > ma sheeh aung ATHIN AHHH-DAMA ne' MYAUT pay nay tar koo.  Kha mya toe 
khoung
 > aye-aye ne' sing sar gya bar kymar.  Jondaw ko pote chah like yin kha 
myar
 > toe ajoe ma myut par boo.  Jondaw ka ayay ma gyi te lu kalay tayork par.
 >
 > Very sad..!
 >
 > ----Original Message Follows----
 > From: "Freedom Fighters" <galon99@xxxxxxxxxxx>
 > To: burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx
 > Subject: Re: Rebels puffing
 > Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 17:25:48 GMT
 >
 > Dear all activists
 > During last week, I found that soe than and susuhuang started posting on
 > Burmanet.  Until now, I found that they only posted against all 
activists.
 > They are trying to distract us from our main theme.  They mostly use 
filthy
 > words to provoke us angry and response angrily.  So we may lose our main
 > theme.  It has no benefits to discuss with them.  Don't waste your time.
 > Let's discuss among our devoted activists for restoration of democracy 
and
 > human rights in Burma.  Don't pay attention to their barking words.  
Don't
 > response to okkar, soe than, and susuhuang.
 > Be ware of Counterrevolutionary forces.
 > galon
 >
 > P.S
 > I would like to remind Okkar, Soe Than, Susuhuang
 > that you are using the Burmanet which is sponsored by ABSDF.  If you are 
in
 > Burma and you are talking about SPDC like this, you will be in big 
trouble.
 >
 > >From: "Sue Huang" <susuhuang@xxxxxxxxxxx>
 > >To: hag2@xxxxxxxxxxx, susuhuang@xxxxxxxxxxx, bina@xxxxxxxxxxxxx,
 > >burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx, burmanet2-l@xxxxxxxx
 > >Subject: Re: Rebels puffing
 > >Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 15:12:24 GMT
 > >
 > >oh HAG you are all hot air. puff puff puff.
 > >
 > >stop puffing and look at facts about embassy.
 > >
 > >they demand release of political prisoners -- none released
 > >
 > >they demand nld-spdc dialog -- no dialog
 > >
 > >they demand parliament to be recognized - no parliament
 > >
 > >they demand helicopter -- ok, get helicopter, fly away and never mind 
about
 > >democracy demands!!!!!
 > >
 > >you call that heros? guts? puff puff puff puff puff
 > >
 > >susu
 > >
 > >>From: "Htun A. Gyaw" <hag2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
 > >>To: "Sue Huang" <susuhuang@xxxxxxxxxxx>, bina@xxxxxxxxxxxxx,
 > >>burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx, burmanet2-l@xxxxxxxx
 > >>Subject: Re: Rebels win, Workers lose
 > >>Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 09:07:06 -0400
 > >>
 > >>
 > >>Do you think the seizure of Embassy only produce ten minutes media
 > >>attention? Do you think the illegal Burmese workers in BKK are far more
 > >>important than the people inside Burma? Do you have an ability to made
 > >>this
 > >>ten minutes deal? if not, do not insult the people who have guts.
 > >>
 > >>Htun Aung Gyaw
 > >>
 > >>
 > >>
 > >>At 02:00 AM 10/07/1999 +0000, Sue Huang wrote:
 > >> >hello??? EVERYBODY lose from this stupid embassy attack, indiana.
 > >>innocent
 > >> >workers hurt, as you say. crackdown on ABSDF and other groups in BKK 
has
 > >> >been announced by thai government. vigorous students made nld look 
like
 > >> >terror-sponsoring group. any hope for early release of rachel goldwyn
 > >> >probably gone. bangkok embassy security now upgraded, meaning any
 > >>SERIOUS
 > >> >long-term occupation, seizure of files etc may no longer be possible.
 > >>border
 > >> >closed making prices go up in rangoon. whole movement now looks
 > >> >disorganized, no leadership. credibility has been lost.
 > >> >
 > >> >name one positive accomplishment. answer: ten minutes of media
 > >>attention.
 > >> >big deal.
 > >> >
 > >> >so, hooray for vigorous students. have guns instead of brains.
 > >> >
 > >> >susu
 > >> >
 > >> >>From: Indiana <bina@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 > >> >>To: burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx, burmanet2-l@xxxxxxxx
 > >> >>Subject: Rebels win, Workers lose
 > >> >>Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 07:24:08 +0700
 > >> >>
 > >> >>Just a note of reality, here amid all the euphoria about getting the
 > >> >>world's attention on Burma by a show of physical force in our host's
 > >> >>capital city.
 > >> >>
 > >> >>By some estimates, there are one million undocumented Burmese 
workers
 > >>in
 > >> >>Thailand, about half of whom work in Bangkok.  For those of you who
 > >>dont
 > >> >>know, these undocumented workers are habitually ripped off by their
 > >>company
 > >> >>owners, abused by their foremen, and harassed by the Thai police.
 > >>Without
 > >> >>state papers, they have no legal rights at all.  Their children are
 > >>often
 > >> >>born on the construction work sites, and later they play in the dirt
 > >>and
 > >> >>the junk piles while their parents mix cement, bend re-bar, and 
carry
 > >> >>bricks, for half the wages of a Thai laborer.  The only reason these
 > >>people
 > >> >>are in Bangkok, far from their towns and villages in Burma, is 
simply
 > >> >>because it is even worse for them at home.
 > >> >>
 > >> >>I had spent about six months working with a group of Burmese 
students
 > >>to
 > >> >>set up a primary school for these kids at a construction site in
 > >>Bangkok.
 > >> >>We researched the situation, wrote a project proposal and prepared a
 > >>budget
 > >> >>which included books, paper, and lunch for the kids.  We sent it out 
to
 > >> >>friends and organizations who we thought might be interested in 
funding
 > >>the
 > >> >>school.  We finally heard that it was going to be approved last 
week,
 > >>just
 > >> >>before the embassy story hit the headlines.
 > >> >>
 > >> >>The students who were going to run this school all live at the 
Maneeloy
 > >> >>"safe camp".  But now it looks like easy movement to and from the 
camp
 > >>is
 > >> >>over (see story that follows).  If they cannot leave the camp for
 > >>Bangkok,
 > >> >>there will be no school for the workers' children.  And from the 
sounds
 > >>the
 > >> >>Thai government is making, life is going to get even harder for the
 > >>workers
 > >> >>themselves.
 > >> >>
 > >> >>I know that everyone wants to go back to Burma.  I know that the
 > >>continued
 > >> >>presence of the junta there is a disgrace to human society.  I know 
how
 > >> >>frustrated everyone is with the lack of movement in the 
international
 > >> >>community.  I was also glad to see something "real" happen, although 
I
 > >>know
 > >> >>that violence is never elegant, nor can it be a solid foundation on
 > >>which
 > >> >>to build anything long-lasting.
 > >> >>
 > >> >>But with no collective planning, no coordinated follow-up, no
 > >>long-range
 > >> >>strategy to use this "aberration" to press our demands home to the
 > >> >>international community, it is the weakest people, as usual, who 
will
 > >>bear
 > >> >>the brunt of the hostile fall-out that violence always breeds.  I 
know
 > >>in a
 > >> >>very personal way what a loss of this school means to the children,
 > >>their
 > >> >>parents, and to the entire illegal worker population of Bangkok.
 > >> >>
 > >> >>If the embassy attack gets them all back home to a peaceful Burma
 > >>tomorrow,
 > >> >>I will be cheering along with the rest.  But if it only makes
 > >>conditions
 > >> >>worse for them here in Bangkok, then it is they who will be paying 
the
 > >> >>long-term cost for the Vigorous Burmese Student Warriors moment of
 > >>glory.
 > >> >>
 > >> >>
 > >> >> >SHAN HERALD AGENCY FOR NEWS
 > >> >> >October 6, 1999
 > >> >> >
 > >> >> >Thailand wants Myanmar students out of country after hostage 
crisis
 > >> >> >
 > >> >> >     BANGKOK, Oct 6 (AFP) - Thailand said Wednesday it planned to
 > >>round
 > >> >>up
 > >> >> >exiled Myanmar students and send them to a third country, after 
five
 > >> >> >student gunmen took almost 40 people hostage at Yangon's embassy
 > >>here.
 > >> >>In
 > >> >> >the wake of the 25-hour hostage crisis, which ended with the 
gunmen
 > >> >>fleeing
 > >> >> >Bangkok by helicopter Saturday, Thai authorities met to discuss 
ways
 > >>to
 > >> >> >prevent more international terrorism on Thai soil. The National
 > >>Security
 > >> >> >Council (NSC) said it would round up exiled students inside 
Thailand,
 > >> >>check
 > >> >> >their status, and prosecute those found to have entered the 
country
 > >> >> >illegally. All students would then be transferred to the Maneeloy
 > >>holding
 > >> >> >centre near the Thai-Myanmar Border, and the United Nations High
 > >> >> >Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) would be asked to quickly 
transfer
 > >>them
 > >> >> >to a third country.
 > >> >> >
 > >> >> >     "We will consult with the UNHCR to send an estimated 2,800
 > >>Myanmar
 > >> >> >students to another country," Khachadpai Burusapatana, NSC
 > >> >> >secretary-general told reporters after the meeting top security
 > >>agencies.
 > >> >> >
 > >> >> >     The UNHCR said it had not been informed of the move yet but
 > >>would
 > >> >> >continue to apply long-standing policies on resettlement.
 > >> >> >     "In accordance with established practice we will continue to
 > >>promote
 > >> >> >resettlement of those refugees who qualify for third country
 > >> >>resettlement,"
 > >> >> >a UNHCR spokesman said.
 > >> >> >
 > >> >> >     Interior ministry spokesman Veerachai Naewboonian said 
students
 > >>who
 > >> >> >were not accepted by a third country would be repatriated to
 > >> >> >Myanmar.  Veerachai said Thailand had already moved to ensure
 > >>students
 > >> >>were
 > >> >> >confined to the Maneeloy holding centre in Ratchburi province.
 > >> >> >
 > >> >> >     "Authorities will step up rules and regulations at the 
Maneeloy
 > >> >>holding
 > >> >> >centre," Veerachai said.
 > >> >> >     Despite the crackdown on exiled students, Bangkok denied 
claims
 > >>by
 > >> >> >Yangon that refugee camps inside Thailand were being used as
 > >>terrorist
 > >> >> >bases.
 > >> >> >     "On this issue Thailand has a clear cut policy that we will 
not
 > >> >>allow
 > >> >> >any groups of terrorists to operate against neigbouring countries
 > >>from
 > >> >> >inside our country," Khachadpai said.
 > >> >> >
 > >> >> >     He said Thailand's policy of sheltering 100,000 refugees 
along
 > >>the
 > >> >> >Thai-Myanmar border would remain unchanged, but all illegal 
Myanmar
 > >> >>workers
 > >> >> >would be repatriated.
 > >> >> >
 > >> >> >     "We have extended permission for 80,000 to 90,000 Myanmar
 > >>workers,
 > >> >>but
 > >> >> >those who are not granted an extension will be prosecuted for
 > >>violating
 > >> >> >immigration laws," he said. In addition, Prime Minister Chuan 
Leekpai
 > >>has
 > >> >> >instructed police to tighten security at 65 embassies and 10
 > >>consulates
 > >> >>in
 > >> >> >Bangkok. Thai Special Branch Police deputy commissioner Major 
General
 > >> >> >Yothin Matthayanun said his agency would focus on improving 
security
 > >>for
 > >> >> >diplomatic missions of neighbouring countries and nations 
embroiled
 > >>in
 > >> >> >political disputes, such as Indonesia.
 > >> >>
 > >> >>
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